And they were using new technology - the smart phone app that had been tested for about two months we think - that was not shared with the Department of Homeland Security. It's not run by Iowa election officials, right? So they're only doing this once every four years. Richard Hasen: But so far as we can tell, this was an election that was run by Democrats in the state of Iowa. And yet we're 20 years after Florida, and so why haven't things gotten better? This kind of lots of misinformation floating out there and uncertainty about why there was yet another breakdown in getting election results. Richard Hasen: Today felt like, I was saying it felt like November 2000 after the vote count was over in Florida before we knew who the president was. She’s a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice and the author of Electoral Dysfunction: A Survival Manual for American Voters. VO: Ricl Hasen is joined in conversation with Victoria Bassetti. This program was recorded in February 2020. VO: This is Brennan Center LIVE, a project of the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law. Richard Hasen: “We need, long-term, a total revamp … Right now is when we need it the most because we're so divided, but right now is when we're least likely to get it because we're so divided.” He talks about how we can restore trust in our self-government in his latest book, Election Meltdown: Dirty Tricks, Distrust, and the Threat to American Democracy. He’s one of the country’s top experts on what can go right and wrong on election day. VO: Rick Hasen is Chancellor’s Professor of Law and Political Science at the University of California, Irvine. Richard Hasen: “You can't have a democracy where people are not confident that votes have been fairly and accurately counted, where people think the results are somehow manipulated, where people don't believe in the legitimacy of the vote counting itself.” This podcast was recorded on February 4, 2020. Attend the Brennan Legacy Awards Dinner.
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